The Obligatory Thanksgiving Wine Post - UPDATES!
I guess any wine blog worth its salt has (or will soon have) a post about the upcoming holiday, with some recommendations for wines to serve with turkey and the fixings, etc. Well, if you’ve come here for sound advice, you’ve come to the wrong place! I just haven’t had time to think about these things yet. So I thought I’d highlight a few posts I’ve seen recently which contain oodles of wine recommendations and holiday etiquette tips.
Serious Grape: Thanksgiving Wine Etiquette
Thanksgiving Wines Under $20
Lenndevours: The Perfect Thanksgiving Wine Myth
UDPATES:
Eric Asimov’s American Wine picks
Eric Asimov’s Thanksgiving picks in general
Wine Enthusiast says…drink beer on Thanksgiving?
The Wine Peeps try some unconventional menu items and wines to match
and…though Jesse Porter included it in the comments, we thought we should also add a link to the Young Winos’ Beaujolais Bonanza here as well…
I’m sure there will be many more over the next week, and perhaps I’ll keep a running tally here (see running tally above)…in the meantime, what libations will you be serving with your Thanksgiving meal? Please comment!
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2008 “Bebame” Red, El Dorado County, California
Cabernet Franc (65%) and Gamay (35%) from - gasp - California! And only 13% ABV, pretty modest by California standards. If I tasted this blind I would probably have said it’s from the Loire Valley. It has pretty much nothing in common with the full bodied iterations of Cab Franc coming out of Napa. Juicy, light, delicious quaffing wine.$18 a bottle
2006 Telegramme Chateauneuf-du-Pape Rouge
Really balanced and smooth, this is a bargain of a Chateauneuf. Yeah, the 07s are lauded but what would I prefer to drink? This! It’s the second label of Vieux Telegraphe, from the same property but from younger vines. And it’s a deal at $33 a bottle.2006 or bust!
NV Barcino Cava: LA Times Wine of the Week!
Delicious and just in time for New Year’s Eve…this is the LA Times Wine of the Week, and we have plenty in stock. Order online, pick-up in-store!$14 a bottle!
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The Business of Saying No:
No, I am not a natural wine merchant.
And no, I am also not not a natural wine merchant.
So what exactly is my store, Domaine LA? This is a tricky question that I try to answer here.
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A couple of months back, I participated in the first annual Los Angeles Natural Wine Week, spearheaded by Lou Amdur of Lou Wine Bar. At that time, I took some heat from a few folks around the Internet who felt I might have been merely capitalizing on a trend and didn’t see me as a true natural wine merchant.
The thing is, I’ve never claimed to be a natural wine merchant. When I started my business online a few years ago, I stated plainly that I wanted to sell wines I loved. I was an enthusiast with a fairly receptive, wide-ranging palate, and I considered learning about wine a journey I would be going on alongside my customers. While I’ve since expanded my business to include a brick and mortar space, my self-conception and mission statement haven’t really changed. But my palate has.
To be absolutely blunt about it, I used to love wines that I simply can’t stomach anymore. There are blog posts archived on my website that in retrospect make me cringe, paragraphs singing the praises of some of the most blatantly manipulated wines in the world. I once criticized a wine bar for not having any Southern Hemisphere selections; it’s now my favorite spot in Los Angeles. And today I carry barely a dozen Southern Hemisphere SKUs myself.
By and large, my palate-shift is reflected in what I bring into the store. Chris Ringland and Mollydooker have been replaced by Eric Texier and Thierry Puzelat; the California fruit- and alcohol-bombs, for the most part, have given way to wines from La Clarine Farm, Donkey and Goat and LIOCO.
As a result of my largely obscure inventory, almost every day I’m faced with customers asking for items that I don’t stock. On a regular basis, I hear:
“Do you have Rombauer Chardonnay?”
No, I answer.
“Do you have Caymus?”
Afraid not, I reply.
“What about Blackstone Merlot?”
So sorry, but no.
“Where’s the Veuve Clicquot? This is a gift. I need the recipient to know it’s nice!”
Sigh.
Saying no to people sets up a potentially risky relationship that may start and end with that one exchange—many customers want what they want and aren’t open to alternative suggestions. In other cases, however, that simple “no” can be the beginning of something beautiful, a dialogue that winds up with a customer who came in looking for the Prisoner instead going home with something like Morgan Twain-Peterson’s Bedrock Heirloom Red, a wine which, while perhaps not 100% natural, is a more honest “made in the vineyard” (yes, I know this is also a cliché) version of what the Prisoner purports to be.
Of course, sometimes that customer really just wants the Prisoner. Which leads me to my major confession here: despite more than a bit of ambivalence, I continue to sell the Prisoner, along with other wines that are by no means natural, wines that are quite frankly manufactured. The Prisoner sits on the shelf right next to the Bedrock Heirloom Red, and for the time being, it will stay there. At least twice a week people come in asking specifically for this wine, and, for several reasons, it’s a request I’m not—yet—willing to deny.

Even though I no longer drink the Prisoner, there was a time–not too long ago–when I did so happily. When I first started getting interested in wine, it was a bottle that captured my imagination and helped launch me on the journey I remain committed to today. So maybe I keep the Prisoner around out of a sense of nostalgia. Or maybe I keep it around to remind me how far I’ve come. Maybe I keep it around hoping that for those who ask for it, it will simply be their starting place just as it was mine.
Or, more cynically, maybe I keep it around because people buy it. Maybe it’s a crutch to lean on when I’m too tired to hand-sell the less familiar items on my shelves. Seeing something recognizable is comforting to consumers, and that comfort somehow lends me credibility; credibility is a precedent to trust. Trust is what enables me to recommend something different to a customer who normally drinks the Prisoner.
In this sense, the Prisoner is of great value to me, not just as an easy sell, but even more so as a gateway to all the other wines I have available. I don’t know that I’d be able to move as much of the Bedrock, an unknown wine with a tiny case production, without the Prisoner right next to it.
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Saying no is extremely hard. Right now, I’m willing to do so 90% of the time, maybe even 95%. Call me a coward or a fake if you want. But I know where I started out, and it’s been a logical evolution. And while I’m headed in a particular direction, guided by my palate, it’s safe to assume I won’t ever be a 100% “natural wine merchant.”
I like to think there’s room for somebody like me—somebody with confidence in her tastes, who also takes into account modes of production in buying decisions; someone who has a particular point of view, yet retains an inclusive attitude. I am strong in my opinions, and enthusiastic in my passions. I never judge my customers, and hope that they’ll be as open-minded and respectful of my offerings as I am of their preferences.
So far, it seems to be working out. In recent months, I’ve brought in only one case of the Prisoner (less than a thousandth of a percent of its total production) for every three cases of the Bedrock (1.3% of its total production).
So, what am I?
I’m not a natural wine merchant. And I’m not not a natural wine merchant.
I’m a work in progress. And I’m okay with that.
The Business of Saying No
Los Angeles Natural Wine Week: Taste California Terroir on 5/15/2010 at Heath Ceramics
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wine jargon
Frizzante
From Wikipedia: Frizzante is an Italian wine term term for semi-sparkling wine (as opposed to Spumante, which is generally used for fully sparkling wines). Frizzante wines generally owe their bubbles to a partial secondary fermentation in tank. You might notice a light fizz or tingly sensation on the tongue with a Frizzante wine, compared to the more carbonated sensation that more fully sparkling wines yield.
Scorekage
Okay, so we made up this word yesterday after a great restaurant experience. We brought a bottle of wine with us, expecting to pay a corkage fee. But the restaurant either forgot to charge us the $15, or decided to be nice to us. We scored! Hence, “scorekage” has entered our lexicon. This can also refer to BYO friendly restaurants that don’t charge for corkage under any circumstances.
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November 18th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Call me a traditionalist, but it’s Beaujolais for me all the way! However, this year the Winos are adhering to a strict “No on Prop ‘08″ policy — in other words, say no to Nouveau.
Here’s a roundup of our recent Beaujolais tasting:
http://youngwinosofla.com/?p=635
I noticed you’ve got the ‘07 Pierre-Marie Chermette Beaujolais for sale! (Now is that just the current vintage of the same Chermette Beaujolais that we tried in our tasting — the one with the cursive label — or is that a different tier? Because the label looks the same as the Fleurie, but obviously it’s not a cru. Thoughts?)
November 18th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Jesse,
The Chermette that we have is a different bottling. While it’s also a lowly Beaujolais AC, it’s made from fruit from old vines - hence, the Vieilles Vignes designation. They’re both excellent!
I look forward to reading your write-up shortly. Wondering what else you drank. Anything from Dominque Piron, Jean Foillard or Marcel Lapierre? I shall find out in a moment!
Best,
Jill
November 18th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
I’m having Beaujolais. If I didn’t already have a bottle, I’d buy yours. Maybe I’ll have to buy a bottle of yours anyway…there’s more turkey in our future, I’m sure
November 19th, 2008 at 5:57 am
Though I’ll have several different wines on my table, one will be a Cabernet. Cabernet on Thanksgiving? Am I crazy? No, because we are not just having turkey but will also be having a tenderloin roast. I have not chosen the specific Cab yet. In addition, I might open one of the Fort Ross Pinots.
November 19th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Tenderloin roast on Thanksgiving = crazy. If the French had thought we were going to be eating tenderloin roast, they would’ve invented “Bordeaux Nouveau.”
November 19th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
Jesse, clearly you don’t know Richard…crazy is the way he rolls!
What will I be drinking? Still trying to figure it out. But I see a bottle of Paul Lato Pinot Noir in my near future. Unfortunately I have only one, so that’s just a starter.
November 21st, 2008 at 9:36 am
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