Price Check: 6-Pack Styro Wine Shipper
I’ve had a lousy day. Between my car being towed from the Jack In the Box lot next to my office building (I know, I shouldn’t have parked there!) and site traffic dropping back to normal pre-InStyle-blurb levels, it’s been reality-check-filled.
So I can tell you I wasn’t in the mood to find that I’d run out of 6-bottle shippers (props go to InStyle for the very welcome and unanticipated boost in business!). On top of this, my supplier is on a mini-vacation until sometime next week. Oops.
Not wanting to drive all the way to my usual back-up source for shippers, I decided to stop by a wine shop to pick up some shippers to tide me over, on my way back to the office from the impound lot. But I was dismayed at the price I found: $9 for a six-pack. I left, empty-handed, and figured I’d get them cheaper elsewhere.
Next stop: a Mail Boxes, Etc.-style shop next to the taco stand where I picked up some much needed sustenance. The store carried some U-Line wine shipping materials, but their prices were even worse than the wine shop I first ventured to. Ugh. $25 for a six pack (no wine included)? I know what these things cost wholesale from U-Line and $25 is pure greed. Exxon-Mobil level greed.
Alas, turns out that I’ll need to make a special trip to my back-up source after all. K&L…they probably know I buy shippers from them occasionally, so I guess I’ll out myself here. There, I can get a six-pack for $4.50 (or is it $5?), which I have to say is even less than my trusty wholesaler. I would buy all my shippers from them if I could, but I’m already pushing it with my twice monthly emergency refills.
After all my grumbling, I realize that wine shipping materials might make a decent little “Price Check” column. So here’s what I found today in my goose-chase quest for a six-bottle shipper:
K&L: $4.50
BoxVendor.com: $6.00
U-Line: $8.45
John & Pete’s: $9.00
Mail Box Shop at Cahuenga/Melrose: $25
Have you found better — or more egregious — prices than these? Please tell!
Finally, I’ll end with a little rant…
I realize that nobody likes paying for wine shippers, whether you’re a consumer or retailer. But there are costs associated with these materials, like it or not. It’s usually a cost I eat, or at the very least subsidize, when shipping to customers. People already complain about high shipping costs, and what you’re paying is really just what FedEx charges us; if we were to add a handling fee to cover the styro-shippers on top of freight, you’d probably just take your business elsewhere. I don’t blame you, I would too.
I say this not to antagonize you, but just to make you aware that in most cases, when you’re buying wine via mail, unless a retailer is extremely high volume, shipping is not a profit center for them. It’s the opposite…
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The Business of Saying No:
No, I am not a natural wine merchant.
And no, I am also not not a natural wine merchant.
So what exactly is my store, Domaine LA? This is a tricky question that I try to answer here.
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A couple of months back, I participated in the first annual Los Angeles Natural Wine Week, spearheaded by Lou Amdur of Lou Wine Bar. At that time, I took some heat from a few folks around the Internet who felt I might have been merely capitalizing on a trend and didn’t see me as a true natural wine merchant.
The thing is, I’ve never claimed to be a natural wine merchant. When I started my business online a few years ago, I stated plainly that I wanted to sell wines I loved. I was an enthusiast with a fairly receptive, wide-ranging palate, and I considered learning about wine a journey I would be going on alongside my customers. While I’ve since expanded my business to include a brick and mortar space, my self-conception and mission statement haven’t really changed. But my palate has.
To be absolutely blunt about it, I used to love wines that I simply can’t stomach anymore. There are blog posts archived on my website that in retrospect make me cringe, paragraphs singing the praises of some of the most blatantly manipulated wines in the world. I once criticized a wine bar for not having any Southern Hemisphere selections; it’s now my favorite spot in Los Angeles. And today I carry barely a dozen Southern Hemisphere SKUs myself.
By and large, my palate-shift is reflected in what I bring into the store. Chris Ringland and Mollydooker have been replaced by Eric Texier and Thierry Puzelat; the California fruit- and alcohol-bombs, for the most part, have given way to wines from La Clarine Farm, Donkey and Goat and LIOCO.
As a result of my largely obscure inventory, almost every day I’m faced with customers asking for items that I don’t stock. On a regular basis, I hear:
“Do you have Rombauer Chardonnay?”
No, I answer.
“Do you have Caymus?”
Afraid not, I reply.
“What about Blackstone Merlot?”
So sorry, but no.
“Where’s the Veuve Clicquot? This is a gift. I need the recipient to know it’s nice!”
Sigh.
Saying no to people sets up a potentially risky relationship that may start and end with that one exchange—many customers want what they want and aren’t open to alternative suggestions. In other cases, however, that simple “no” can be the beginning of something beautiful, a dialogue that winds up with a customer who came in looking for the Prisoner instead going home with something like Morgan Twain-Peterson’s Bedrock Heirloom Red, a wine which, while perhaps not 100% natural, is a more honest “made in the vineyard” (yes, I know this is also a cliché) version of what the Prisoner purports to be.
Of course, sometimes that customer really just wants the Prisoner. Which leads me to my major confession here: despite more than a bit of ambivalence, I continue to sell the Prisoner, along with other wines that are by no means natural, wines that are quite frankly manufactured. The Prisoner sits on the shelf right next to the Bedrock Heirloom Red, and for the time being, it will stay there. At least twice a week people come in asking specifically for this wine, and, for several reasons, it’s a request I’m not—yet—willing to deny.

Even though I no longer drink the Prisoner, there was a time–not too long ago–when I did so happily. When I first started getting interested in wine, it was a bottle that captured my imagination and helped launch me on the journey I remain committed to today. So maybe I keep the Prisoner around out of a sense of nostalgia. Or maybe I keep it around to remind me how far I’ve come. Maybe I keep it around hoping that for those who ask for it, it will simply be their starting place just as it was mine.
Or, more cynically, maybe I keep it around because people buy it. Maybe it’s a crutch to lean on when I’m too tired to hand-sell the less familiar items on my shelves. Seeing something recognizable is comforting to consumers, and that comfort somehow lends me credibility; credibility is a precedent to trust. Trust is what enables me to recommend something different to a customer who normally drinks the Prisoner.
In this sense, the Prisoner is of great value to me, not just as an easy sell, but even more so as a gateway to all the other wines I have available. I don’t know that I’d be able to move as much of the Bedrock, an unknown wine with a tiny case production, without the Prisoner right next to it.
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Saying no is extremely hard. Right now, I’m willing to do so 90% of the time, maybe even 95%. Call me a coward or a fake if you want. But I know where I started out, and it’s been a logical evolution. And while I’m headed in a particular direction, guided by my palate, it’s safe to assume I won’t ever be a 100% “natural wine merchant.”
I like to think there’s room for somebody like me—somebody with confidence in her tastes, who also takes into account modes of production in buying decisions; someone who has a particular point of view, yet retains an inclusive attitude. I am strong in my opinions, and enthusiastic in my passions. I never judge my customers, and hope that they’ll be as open-minded and respectful of my offerings as I am of their preferences.
So far, it seems to be working out. In recent months, I’ve brought in only one case of the Prisoner (less than a thousandth of a percent of its total production) for every three cases of the Bedrock (1.3% of its total production).
So, what am I?
I’m not a natural wine merchant. And I’m not not a natural wine merchant.
I’m a work in progress. And I’m okay with that.
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From Wikipedia: Frizzante is an Italian wine term term for semi-sparkling wine (as opposed to Spumante, which is generally used for fully sparkling wines). Frizzante wines generally owe their bubbles to a partial secondary fermentation in tank. You might notice a light fizz or tingly sensation on the tongue with a Frizzante wine, compared to the more carbonated sensation that more fully sparkling wines yield.
Scorekage
Okay, so we made up this word yesterday after a great restaurant experience. We brought a bottle of wine with us, expecting to pay a corkage fee. But the restaurant either forgot to charge us the $15, or decided to be nice to us. We scored! Hence, “scorekage” has entered our lexicon. This can also refer to BYO friendly restaurants that don’t charge for corkage under any circumstances.
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October 30th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
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When I first opened the biz, I thought I could snag a bit of profit from shipping, but at this point it is barely evening out other costs such as Visa/MC percentages, gas to run to FedEx, etc.
October 30th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
I’m with you on this one! Although I’d love to offer free shipping (because I hate shipping costs myself) as a reasonable business person, I just can’t. Sorry folks. But local pick-up is always allowed, and know that we never make money on shipping. (In truth, we usually lose.) One of the harsh realities of wine shipping. Ugh.
October 30th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Shipping and packing costs are outrageous. It’s too bad there isn’t a convenient way to re-use the shippers. Like, leaving the milk bottles on the porch, except leaving the wine shippers on the porch and FedEx comes the next day to pick them up. Yeah…
October 30th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Does anyone have ideas about how to reuse these? We have quite a stack in our garage. So far we’ve gone with the obvious reuse of putting them in our luggage when going on trips to wine country. We’ve also used them as a stand for a mirror while refinishing it.
October 31st, 2008 at 11:18 am
Re-using them? Give people the option of paying, at the time they buy the wine, the cost of returning box and wine shippers back to you. I would do it, and I think many others would because of the environmental hazards of styrofoam. I would prefer it not be used at all. However, if it must be used, I would pay an extra 5 or 10 bucks to see that it get used again, rather than go straight to the landfill. That said, I probably would not do it if it did not come with a handy (”stick this on the box to return it”) pre-paid shipping label.
November 4th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Thanks for the comments everyone.
Taster B, we have a few customers who drop off shippers they’ve received from wineries and other stores they’ve ordered from for us to re-use. Unfortunately shipping empty shippers back to us would be cost prohibitive for non-local customers, or we’d do it! Sometimes, customers of d547 may receive a mangled looking shipper and perhaps that’s off-putting. But we feel much better about using them multiple times so they don’t wind up in landfills after the first use.
Dave, I like your idea as well, but in reality nobody wants to pay more for shipping…you are in the minority on this one. If you receive wine via mail, why not take the shipper to a local wine shop that can put it to use? Tommy, that would be my suggestion for you as well!